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Anyway as MF himself said, the perception is important, guess he will have to change the perception of Morgan Stanley's Woo.
Lot of changes in IT. Anybody has any comments on the new IT COE?
The org chart made it pretty clear which areas of IT are being outsourced, and it is quite telling that there are no directors for those 2 boxes. I am continued to be amazed however that the most worthless director in IT continues to elevate his career. Must be the hair. Anyone here get to talk to the guys from India w/ CGI this week?
Actually Bob, I know for a fact that 2 of the groups in those 2 boxes with no director are not being outsourced, so that is not an indicator of which groups are being outsourced. Both of the depts. were mentioned in the paragraph describing which depts. were being lumped into the group.
OK bored fill us less informed individuals in, which 2 groups do you know for a fact are not being outsourced that were mentioned???
The RAM project and the ASAP web project are exempt.
Anything that is proprietary and strategic in nature would naturally not be outsourced. There must be several applications that fall under those category.
Obviously Strategy and Security fall under these and hence will not be outsourced. The rest fall under the two boxes which can be outsourced. But even within Application development and Admin/Services there are certain applications such as Reservations, Rates etc. that cannot be outsourced. Basically any application that is proprietary. But that is not to say that the whole application team is safe.
I don't see any existing director being promoted, so Bob, while you are at it, enlighten us about that as well.
Considering that all of the persons listed in the ‘green’ Navigator driver’s last BS announcement were at Orlando together, I would imagine that they now all share the same STDs.
A question entered my mind while reading the pompous comments offered by Bandit. As he sits around and ponders about how brilliant and all-knowing he obviously considers himself to be, does he use his right hand or left?
"The referee comes into the ring and sends everyone to their respective corners. He cautions them all to refrain from low blows."
Strategic, I'm not going to get drawn into a flame war, that's what sucks about this blog. The director I am refering to is involved in the 'advanced technologies' areas of Hertz. He may not have an official promo yet, but I have heard that he has somehow gotten himself in good w/ JE. I don't know really anything more than what anyone else does about outsourcing, but I don't necessarily agree that 'proprietary' applications are safe. The only two that have been specifically mentioned in meetings and by JE himself is RAM (maybe legacy rates too) and the ASAP Web project (again maybe legacy too). I imagine certain portions of the other apps will continue to have resources at Hertz, but the actual programming changes are outta here.
Bob, I prefer the civilzed discussion and I didn't mean to sound otherwise. I was just curious.
Yeah, RM has some good portfolio, but then again, he was already leading advanced technology center.
My comments about strategic, proprietary and Corporate Apps were based on prior experience.
Joe also has time and again emphasized that the outsourcing would mainly be for commoditized applications where other companies have better capability to run at a lower cost.
I am still surprised that they would go with just 1 vendor given the size of the pie. Maybe if the pie were smaller it would make sense.
Anyway, it does look like the wait is going to be for atleast a couple of more months.
I am not sure what the Director is trying to imply, perhaps he like others would like to have a civilized discussion.
The IT market out there doesn't seem to be all that bad.
Sorry, I misinterpreted your earlier remarks. The bickering on here between personalities gets old. What does everyone think about the new positions being created. Unfortunately all except one seem to fall under RM, but the other is on the ITSS side.
this is so funny........
Harold Rolfe, Senior Vice President, General Counsel and Secretary, has informed me that he will leave Hertz, effective November 19, 2007, to pursue other interests.
He just bought and sold his 150,000 options and made a sweet 2.2M instantly. I would leave also, just like winning the lottery.
I guess that just leaves Nothwang, Kennedy, Plescia and Shafer from the old school senior management. How much time do they have left?
Anyone have any idea what 'Project Domino' is? Never heard of this one before.
There's a lot of cyber chatter about JE's skirt chasing past - any evidence that's happening at Hertz?
Big sale, the same day when MF was doing the webcast and wondering as to why the share price was getting beat up. It was just a matter of oversupply from the counsel.
Except for a couple of comments I am not able to find much about JE personality. I would not prefer to get into personal attack.
Still continues to be a wait about decisions, no wonder the survey results appear to be bleak.
I haven't heard anything about Project Domino. Has anybody else?
Can't chase skirts if he never leaves his office...even has his sec get his lunch so he doesn't have to mingle with the techies...IBM Lotus Domino...over 1 dozen new servers to support Sametime, IM, web conferencing, etc...
I am not sure. A bunch of server is relatively small potatoes for the kind of interest on Domino. Maybe it refers to something else?
You gotta wonder if the only benefit of an MBA is to be able to come up w/ cool names like 'Project Domino', 'Project Alpha' or 'Project Genesis'? It is like they watched too much Mission Impossible in their Bus Admin classes... Couldn't they call it something simpler like 'Project Layoff', or Project Outsource???
Almost Dec. 1 and still no one knows anything about who is being OUTSOURCED or laid off? BS!!...Why the big secret? In the NEW flow chart from JE, COMPUTER OPERATIONS is not even shown where are those people going to exist or are they?
All the current departments have been accounted for in the chart. Computer Operations comes under services.
We were supposed to know something by Nov 19.
But as it turns out, IBM and CGI came in way over what is being paid now, both were told to re-evaluate and come back with lower bids if they wanted it.
From what I hear the new date to possibly find out anything is Dec 11 from the Joe meeting. He may do some of his normal tap dancing if nothing has been decided by then.
And you know, the only thing Joe has done since he got here is rename things, do names really mean that much? They must mean a lot to him just so he can say look at all the good things I have done.
He did finally get his new Navigator, not driving the Dallas rental anymore.
Why don't we get rid of the vehicles for upper management plan, think about how much money could be saved by doing that.
I heard that as well about the rebid, but today heard some things that make me believe that CGI has won the bid. Also heard that there will be less than 200 of the existing IT staff that will be retained. Again, just rumors, but the person I heard it from was pretty specific.
CGI did come in the lowest but rumor has it that Big Blue got wind of it and now they somehow get a 2nd shot...something sure smells and it ain't the stockyards...
Well, I'm enjoying the rumors here as much as anyone, but I have to wonder where they come from. I know a few things that I'm not at liberty to disclose, but I can say that little I've read here comes close to what's coming. Expect something to be revealed very shortly. Don't be surprised when it is different from what the posters here are predicting.
Very soon we'll know if my observations from 11/2 were correct. I'm standing by them.
Nada...
How soon. You last said we would know on 11/19.
Will it be before or after the first of the year.
Oh... I agree with you.
Within a few days tops.
What mystery? An errant email is loose that contains an attachment detailing how CGI has the bid. The question is will they keep it. The CGI bid has less than three hundred staying while Big Blue will keep less than one hundred current employees. Better get those resumes ready.
WELL WELL WELL....no paper checks for those who get them today...the checks didn't show for some " unforeseen circumstances"...And the Head of HR from Park Ridge here in OKC. If things weren't going so good, one would ask who pays better McD's or Burger King?
CGI. Hmm. Well, I'm not going to make bets on the outcome of a decision that someone else gets to make, but from where I sit, the wind seems to be blowing in a different direction. My guess is that CGI does not really have a shot, they are just a way for Hertz to triangulate a better deal from IBM.
Head of HR in from PR today... Also interesting. That also aligns with the schedule that I got wind of.
Okay Nada, Are we going to be told of the decision(s) before or after JE's 12/11 all day gig?
I'm starting to doubt my sources, which have gone curiously quiet. One earlier thing I heard seems to have changed. I'm now hearing whispers of a split award. CGI has at least a piece or two, what I don't know - and IBM gets some also. I think the executives are still haggling with the vendors. I expected to hear an announcement by now. Guess Tuesday's looking more likely. I guess the sadistic streak in them makes it more fun to announce as close to the holiday as possible. I think we're all screwed regardless.
Quiet is exactly the word. I haven't heard more than 2-3 words from my director in the past month. No one is trying to quell the rumors, or God forbid give us some meaningful info, they are only attacking the people who find out some info and making idle threats. I think we will expect to see some layoffs around 21st which I think will affect only the BA's (~20 people). Merry Christmas from Hertz...
Rumor has it that there were some layoffs at the HAC Friday...there's also more than cold air blowing in next week as there's a gaggle of big shots coming in from Park Ridge...additional LAN drops were rushed into the CC conf rm Friday because all the other rooms are booked. JE has to have someone watch his back cause he ain't big enough to stand up and make a decision or announcement by himself!
Alright you hertz dreamers, the ice storm is here untill Wednesday, and it’s nut-cutting time.
Last week you stood outside parading your whites (surrender, innocence, gullibility, false hope, boredom), for the latest feel-good BS event. I’m sure that our current hypocritical leaders will gladly utilize that display as an acceptance of their latest asinine acronymic attempts to persuade the hertz mis staff that all is well, and that the well-being of the staff and it’s families is the driving factor in any future decisions they will make concerning the shipping of our jobs to (pick a country)
Don’t you just love hearing our big boss ‘Office manager – Michael’ whine about how the real world doesn’t appreciate hertz in spite of all of its good intentions. Get real, MF – the intelligent sector of the financial industry is well aware of your ridiculous debt burden, your self-serving sham bonus awards, and your plans to strip hertz of the individuals who have dedicated so many hours to ensuring that Hertz was the epitome of vehicle rental services. So much for loyalty and job satisfaction.
Bandit, Nada, and all of you other posters of rampant rumors, your half-assed tidbits of ‘reliable’ information are as believable as the sausage guy’s insulting attempts to persuade us the he really loves us and only has our best interests at heart. As a matter of fact, Bandit’s posts made more sense after he deleted them.
I digressed. The nut-cutting process involves the decision as to whether we should brave the iced streets which will be presented to us when we leave our houses Monday and Tuesday to travel to our beloved workplace, risking damage to our personal vehicles and bodies. Or should we say ‘fuck you MF and sausage guy!’ When you demonstrate that hertz actually gives a damn about me as an employee, then I will go the extra mile and put out a little extra for you. Until then, stick your acronyms up your assets and stop insulting us with your assumptions that we believe any of your sanctimonious BS. If you think we are so ignorant as to believe your mealy-mouth crap, we deserved to be canned.
Alright you hertz dreamers, the ice storm is here untill Wednesday, and it’s nut-cutting time.
Last week you stood outside parading your whites (surrender, innocence, gullibility, false hope, boredom), for the latest feel-good BS event. I’m sure that our current hypocritical leaders will gladly utilize that display as an acceptance of their latest asinine acronymic attempts to persuade the hertz mis staff that all is well, and that the well-being of the staff and it’s families is the driving factor in any future decisions they will make concerning the shipping of our jobs to (pick a country)
Don’t you just love hearing our big boss ‘Office manager – Michael’ whine about how the real world doesn’t appreciate hertz in spite of all of its good intentions. Get real, MF – the intelligent sector of the financial industry is well aware of your ridiculous debt burden, your self-serving sham bonus awards, and your plans to strip hertz of the individuals who have dedicated so many hours to ensuring that Hertz was the epitome of vehicle rental services. So much for loyalty and job satisfaction.
Bandit, Nada, and all of you other posters of rampant rumors, your half-assed tidbits of ‘reliable’ information are as believable as the sausage guy’s insulting attempts to persuade us the he really loves us and only has our best interests at heart. As a matter of fact, Bandit’s posts made more sense after he deleted them.
I digressed. The nut-cutting process involves the decision as to whether we should brave the iced streets which will be presented to us when we leave our houses Monday and Tuesday to travel to our beloved workplace, risking damage to our personal vehicles and bodies. Or should we say ‘fuck you MF and sausage guy!’ When you demonstrate that hertz actually gives a damn about me as an employee, then I will go the extra mile and put out a little extra for you. Until then, stick your acronyms up your assets and stop insulting us with your assumptions that we believe any of your sanctimonious BS. If you think we are so ignorant as to believe your mealy-mouth crap, we deserved to be canned.
Wasn't any better the second time around. Better get some more egg nog
12-11....The day of the "BIG" MEETING with JE. Who will be the 1st to tell the truth about what really went on in there? Did anyone make a special trip to see it? Rest of the week could prove very interesting.
the meeting was postponed
The IT Quarterly Exchange (originally scheduled for Dec. 11th) will be rescheduled for Tuesday, December 18th... I know this creates a lot of questions, but the simple reason is that the vendor selection decision for potential outsourcing of IT is taking longer than expected and has not been finalized, and I believe postponing the meeting one week will allow me to give you more of the information you want to know. I would also like to assure you that the Business Process Outsourcing and the IT Center of Expertise reorganization will not result in any affect on IT employees’ jobs through the end of this year.
also go fill out the pulse survey to your heart's content at
hertzjobsurvey.com
Splitting between the two is what I expected to happen long back.
It is taking so long to decide, but then some kind of status updates would be nice. It would atleast stop the rumours.
Speculation is both CGI's & IBM's proposals (costs) were way over the top. CGI was told to come back to the table with a "lower" proposal. When IBM caught wind of this, they threw a hissy fit. And it seems HP is still in the mix too!
We were told a decision would be made the end of November, first of December. This is just another example of MF saying one thing & doing another. And it takes big nuts to ask us to "spread the word" to friends & family on the "free tank of gas" offer. Hell yes, I'm talking to my friends and family telling them NOT to rent from Hertz. Sorry folks, but I wouldn't mind seeing MF go down with the ship.
And as far as the third pulse survey is concerned, MF can stick it up his ass.
Hertz's stock continues to fall. Wouldn't it be great to see it fall under $15? I wonder what MF is telling his investor buddies. Probably the same BS he tells everyone else. Ya can't trust the MF'er.
Why would anyone want to stay at Hertz at this point?
I don't know. It is almost getting to be just plain comical to watch. I am not too concerned about finding a new job, I just may have to look out of state where there are much more positions in my field than around here. I did take my pulse survey today, didn't take too long to answer all '1's to every question. I am hoping we can continue bring the over all scores down to a record low, kinda like our stock price.
Great news, safe till the new year. That means everything we go buy for wife/family we won't be able to pay for it. So CGI and IBM splitting HERTZ, the loser get the IT DEPT?
remember that you can vote multiple times on any of the job categories around the world
why limit your 1's to just one time?
I find it ludicrous that the last survey had higher results than the previous ones, unless there are a lot of people that really believe what MF is saying.
It all goes back to fool me once shame on you, fool me twice or more, shame on me. Or maybe MF can really fool people and investors many times over.
Suckers really are born every day and they stay suckers.
I've been really frustrated with the whole idea of outsourcing, the decisions to lay off really good employees, and the excruciating amount of time this whole process is taking. I'm tired of not knowing what's going to happen, and I'm tired of hearing rumor after rumor. I like my job, but for the first time in my many years of service, I'm ready to update my resume to get the heck out of dodge.
But after a lot of thought, the things at Hertz I really care about haven't changed. I still enjoy my day-to-day work, I have really good employees, and I have an exceptional boss.
I'll still update my resume, but I'm going to hang around for now and try to ride out the impending storm. Maybe things won't be as bad as I'm afraid they're going to be???
Here it is the weekend, 3 days before the next meeting that is supposed to happen. Will anyone find out anything helpful? JE and MF and I am sure some here in OKC know who is gone and who will get to stay. Why the big secret? Or are we about to get screwed by who ever we go to work as an outsource dept?
Has anyone heard anything about HR yet? Do you really think HR will be outsourced?
In response to outsource HR.
One can only hope that that bunch of mealy mouthed, action-paralyzed, bozo's are outsourced in the first wave...
They're half the reason things are the way they are, and are so petrified of setting a "precedent" they can't wipe their butts without a letter to say its ok.
Twas the day before THE MEETING, and not a creature was stirring not even HR. But the latest odds from VEGAS are in. CGI and IBM are running both at 3 to 1 to be the ahem choke choke winner. HR being outsourced is currently at 5/8..In other words if your in HR start packing. IT is at 5/1 it is a goner, and even worse depending on what part of IT you are in.
As of 09:31 CST. HERTZ stock was DOWN to $15.15 and dropping. It opened higher and is on the way down.....Anyone know how to play TAPS?
Well that was pretty much a waste of time. An hour and a half of, 'No decisions...', 'Nothing to see here, move on...', 'Don't think about this over Christmas...'. Lame. Anyway everyone needs to check out the WARN act and what it actually requires and what the penalty is for non-compliance, and look at Hurtz's severance policy to see what JE will actually do. Anyway Merry Christmas everyone, good luck on your job searches.
Well, think lot of people will not complain because most groups, except App Devt. and Sys. Admin have been excluded. So I guess, there would be fewer competition for jobs.
It would have been nice if something had been decided or if we were given additional specific details, but then, already they are struggling to get out of the hole they have put themselves by going forward with this outsourcing expecting to get big savings.
Anyway, Merry Christmas to all.
So after reading about the WARN Act, it seems as though someone needs to get the class action law suit going and lots of people could get in on that action. I have been reading this board for quite some time and definitely know that through my own experiences and others they have shared, that this is not a company I am willing to devote much more time to. The chances of my job being eliminated are next to none b/c I am in the sales force and drive revenue, but I still do not want to be a part of an organization that talks out two sides of their mouth and then has lots of secrets behind your back. I understand the disconnect b/t management and the real workers, but the lying is what offends me. This company has been run in the ground over the past year and a half and unfortunately for people in my position, it will only get worst while they push for us to save the company under the direction of a bunch of overpaid MF appointies. I think everyone I come in contact with is formulating Plan B and making sure they have something to fall back on. My advice to everyone else is to do the same.
http://www.doleta.gov/layoff/warn.cfm
A little background on the WARN act
Doesn't it seem odd to anyone that there is no decision? Seems like everything I've heard lately points to management having already selected CGI - so why not sign a contract, announce it and get on with it? Unless they're getting really cold feet, that is. I wonder if the reality of that choice is sinking in. My guess is that management really does not want to give the deal to CGI, but also doesn't want to pay IBM's price (and I bet IBM's about to walk away from the deal if they have to match it). Rock, meet hard place.
In agreement with Southerner: I have given many, many years to this company and was always proud to say that I worked for them - no more! The lying and just plain not communicating is insane. We, the employees, are not stupid - why have we had to agonize for months and now every week when we think something is going to happen, it's "oh, no decision this week". From where I sit, it appears they can't get the deal they want so they keep stalling while the employees are left out to dry.
it all goes back to shopping...sometimes when you go shopping you find bargains, sometimes you don't
they are shopping for a better bargain and don't seem to be finding it like they thought they would
Something is up.... It is two quit here.
I know that we are supposed to send rumors to "email Genesis" for verification, but I wanted to see if anyone here has heard this....MF is trying to get out of his contract with Hertz. If true, is that good or bad for us???
I kinda find that one a bit hard to believe. He has just now finished replacing most of the Senior Management w/ his cronies from Tenneco and GE. And he is scheduled to get a nice deposit (the second half of a 4 million dollar buyout to Tenneco) on the 31st of December. I doubt he would jeopardize that. Most of his stock that he owns is still worth a pretty good amount since he bought it at a sweet price of 5.40ish. Don't get me wrong he will be here no more that the 6 years of his contract, but unless he has a much better deal, or wants to commit, what I believe, would be CEO career suicide (leaving a company worse off than what he left it) he is here for a while. This all being said, someone should send this rumor in, because its only the rumors that is causing all these good people to leave. ;)
HAPPY NEW YEAR, to those that are left and are riding out what is to come. Now the questions are, do we hear this week or next week? And depending on the dept. do we hear congrats you now work for (FILL IN THE BLANK) ? OR do we hear, this is so and so and so and so, you will train them to do your job? And just curious what is this from other posts about rumors are to be reported? If the Supervisors won't talk how else do you hear or maybe learn anything? you ask what is the truth and get the same answer I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING. After 6 months that gets old really fast.
Here is something for someone to explain. Go to the HERTZ INTRANET click on Europe. Then find UK and click on it. On the UK screen upper left hand corner you will notice PICS FROM THE 2007 HERTZ UK CHRISTMAS PARTY. Did everyone enjoy the HERTZ OKC PARTY? What happened to ONE HERTZ/ONE COMPANY?
Speculation is that we will hear something the week of the 14th. For the first time that I have ever been aware of, there is a mandate that all absence forms must be turned in by 1/11. I, like most everyone else, am very tired of waiting and wondering.
Amen to that.
From the 2008 Outsourcing World Summit Feb 18-20 in Orlando, FL.
Strategic Transformation: Using Outsourcing to Change Hertz’s Global Business Model
John C. Maher, Executive Managing Director, CB Richard Ellis
Simon Ellis, Staff Vice President, Real Estate & Concessions, The Hertz Corporation
Roger Roy, Consulting Principal, Pillsbury Winthrop Shaw Pittman
http://www.outsourcingprofessional.org/content/23/154/1099/
This is a totally non-Hertz related post. I read this in the TV Forum section of my local paper's TV Guide....it made me chuckle (could someone from Hertz have submitted it???)
A good solution to the writers'
strike would be for the
Hollywood studios to emulate
their big corporate brethen and
off-load all script writing to
third-world countries. Think of
all the money the corporate
executives would make.
Hi everyone, I worked with JE for about 10 years on the west coast and in the mid-west. I got to know him and his family fairly well. The Geraldo reference made about him on the CIO Weekly website is hillarious but appropriate.
In general, JE is a decent family guy and professional very ambitious. He gave me a chance to advance my career and show people what I could do. He sponsored me in attending some powerful professional training and my ability to drive for positive business results were a direct result of that training and the stretch assignments I undertook.
That said, watch yourself!!! I have seen him change over the years. JE is very much "All About JE". And he has gotten even more about JE over the years. He will act in his own best interest. He tends to surround himself with people (sometimes henchmen/"Yes People" and many of them blonde) that will cut your throat if you are not on his bus.
He left a lot of scortched earth when he left the west coast in the mid-90's, at GE and at Mattel. I saw him blast some very good people as well as some dopes. JE and I parted ways on pretty good terms. But I felt like I got away from him in just a nick of time before he turned on me.
Bottom line, be on guard. Watch for signs that the "All About JE" is kicking into Hyper-Drive.
Monday/Tuesday, expect the long awaited announcement that (I hear CGI) we've been waiting for. The rest of the week will be meetings for the affected players with JE to tell them they're being screwed, and how it's good for them......... Good luck to all.........
Found an interesting article out there about Circuit City. A few months ago, they fired all of their 'high paid' sales people (14-15 bucks and hour) to save some money, and their business has gone downhill since. Here is the link...
http://www.tulsaworld.com/business
/article.aspx?subjectID=48&
articleID=20080112_5_E7_spanc56181
Granted we are not an electronics retailer, but our customer service is the only thing that sets us apart from the other rental car providers. So replace Circuit City w/ Hertz to in this article to see where this regime is leading us...
Well CGI it is. No big surprise... IBM gets to retain the current systems they have, but I wonder how long it will be before they pull their rental car contract and Hertz dumps them. Well it looks like interviews may start as early as next week w/ CGI. I have heard that only about 120 people will be 're-badged' which isn't a whole lot. I guess we will supposedly find out more tomorrow.
The meetings have started. From what I hear, you don't know much more when the meeting ends than you did before it began. Rumor says that if your meeting is today (Wednesday) you are being outsourced. If your meeting is Thursday, you are out of scope.
What everyone should keep in mind is that groups or employees that were out-of-scope this round, may not be a year from now. Certain groups have already been told that once their projects are completed, those projects will be handed over to CGI.
Interestingly enough, there are groups that were told they were safe and definitely out-of-scope, that found themselves sitting in one of the in-scope meetings. Then there's the group whose applications are out-of-scope, but the employees within are in-scope.
Amusingly, one group being outsourced develops and maintains some less-known systems and processes that could cost Hertz a lot more than they might be saving if any mistakes are made by whomever is brought in to handle them.
There's some risk for Joe to suck on.
What does everyone think about Hertz outsourcing to a company that has filed bankruptcy twice since 1999?
I have also heard rumors of MF trying to re-negotiate and get out of his contract early........
So as one who left months ago, I find this all very interesting.
When it's all said and done, the C-level hatchetmen will ride off into the sunset with bags of cash and fawning articles about their "success" in an upcoming issue of Businessweek.
Meanwhile, (what remains of) the good people of Hertz will be left to clean up the bloody mess and try to salvage a once great company.
I'm tellin' ya ... from the "benevolent sponsors" down to Frissy and C-I-Joe ... there's a hotter place in hell for such creatures.
I pray now that those who choose to interview with CGI don't get screwed over on vacation, salary, and benefits.
The problem is that interviewing with CGI isn't a choice unless one is simply planning to leave regardless. It doesn't sound like CGI will be interviewing everyone who is in-scope, rather they will have a handful of prospects that they will then dwindle down to whatever number meets their quota.
And of course anyone wanting to receive their severance should be praying that they can make it through their 2, 4, or 6 month transition period and not be offered rebadging by CGI. That's right, if CGI offers to assimilate you and you turn them down, you won't be getting the severance pay and it's possible they might find a way to let you go early.
While I've heard that CGI is an employee friendly company, the fact remains that they've filed bankruptcy more than once recently and their stock price is worse off than that of Hertz.
In other news, Hertz might be making an appearance on local TV sometime soon...
I am having a hard time finding info about CGI having filed bankruptcy. Can someone tell me where you found this info? I have also heard from some local OKC CGI employees that they have some of the best benefits around, and really treat employees w/ respect and trust... Unlike Hertz. So if you have a shot at getting a position w/ them it may not be that bad of thing.
Some quick googling reveals what looks to be a couple of instances where CGI aquired other businesses in bankruptcy, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. They probably picked up those companies at a fire sale price, absorbed the debt, and profited from the increased marketshare.
You can read an interesting history of CGI in a PDF on their website.
Also, I've created an interesting graph of CGI, Hertz, and HP stock performance over the past year. As you can see, Hertz has not only been unstable, but it also started going in the sh*tter long before the overall downturn in the market.
Nice job MF and JE. Well done. Here's your bonus. Oh, and here's your knife back.
http://www.ic.gc.ca/common/search/vSearch
Is the bankruptcy info.
Can you try to paste in a new URL for the CGI bankruptcy info or provide another reference? The one you posted (http://www.ic.gc.ca/common/search/vSearch) is not a valid page. I'm very interested in confirming whether or not this is can be confirmed in something other than rumour.
There is a company called CENTENNIAL Group Inc. that has filed in 1993 referenced as CGI (http://www.secinfo.com/dxNSy.b8.htm), but that is not the CGI that is involved in our "re-badging".
Maybe someone's out to malign the CGI that's involved with Hertz. Sure, to the unaided eye a few search results lend the appearance that CGI has filed for bankruptcy, but if you actually rev up a few brain cells and follow the links, here's what you'll find:
In a bankruptcy filing for CAMPANIA MANAGEMENT COMPANY, there is mention of "Campania's about-face was prompted by the fact that CGI had allegedly filed for bankruptcy in the State of Ohio on some date unspecified prior to January 16, 2001. The practical effect of CGI's bankruptcy was that Campania could no longer anticipate reimbursement from CGI if the district court entered a judgment in Rooks's favor." The important thing to note here is that the CGI in question is Credit General Insurance ("CGI"), a large insurance corporation.
One of the other top hits mentions "As a result of its deteriorating liquidity position and to avoid the loss of certain of its properties through foreclosure, The Centennial Group, Inc. ("CGI") filed a voluntary petition for relief under Chapter 11 of the United States Bankruptcy Code in the United States Bankruptcy Court for the Central District of California on December 13, 1991."
I do not believe that either of the aforementioned companies known as "CGI" have anything to do with the CGI Group, Inc (Stock ticker "GIB") that is working with Hertz. If someone has information to the contrary, please post it here with links that are both functional and hot.
I am part of the "out of scope" group, but the information I find on CGI makes me think working for them would be a good thing. Wonder what the possibility of interviewing with CGI might be for someone in the OOS category (lol). I hear that layoffs for the OOS folks will start to happen before the end of 1st quarter. Anyone hearing about layoffs for OKC?
Wasn't it nice seeing all the suits wandering around today? I'm just wondering how long before in scope folks start interviewing? And then get "re badged"--which is the stupidest term ever! Chainsaw Joe is one arrogant MF...so glad he has his big black expedition parked up front in space #1. What's up w/his secretary following him around like a little puppy??? I wonder how people like him sleep at night knowing how they are screwing up so many people's lives? Carma, BABY!!!!
and another thing, what is up with the new workout center???? who is going to be around to use it? maybe it will add to the resell value of the building---it's not going to have Hertz out front for long....I guarantee it! It is really amazing that even w/the announcements, rumors are still flying & there is so much unrest. What a pathetic place---who else wasn't surprised that Hertz didn't make the list of top places to work in Oklahoma? Wouldn't that have been hilarious!?!?!?
Hey, y'all. I've been dumpster diving at your favorite place.
What is this I've found? After announcing to the Wall Street Journal it was going green, Hertz still hasn't done it?
I don't know the only person I have seen following him around like a puppy is Moore. Of course even puppies don't have their lips attached to their mommies ass. I haven't heard anything else otherwise. Given Hertz's method of communication we are due for a period of 2 months of silence before we hear something else. Surely when the directors say that 'I don't know anything' they aren't lying to us... :)
If you are out of scope, that is good for now. You have more time to prepare to get out. So don't waste anytime. If you already have not updated the resume, then this is your last chance, cause you will be in scope after few weeks. Remember Mark's comment the first time he addressed the company "We are in business of renting, we are not an IT company".
If you are a techy, then I will say this for the last time "GET OUT, LOOK FOR ANOTHER JOB"
I heard Hertznet was down yesterday. I wonder if MF and JE put their little pea brains together to fix it. Not so easy when 90% of your brain trust has walked, huh guys? Oh well, what do they care? The Brinks truck still backs up to their bank each week and unloads a metric ass-load of Hertz payroll cash for them both regardless of the IT abortion they've created. I'm with gblogger, get out and get out now. Leave the root password on a sticky note and wish them good luck.
Well c-i-joe and others, real easy to say get out now. Get the resumes ready and run. Without going out of state mind saying where to run to? Saying you work for hertz does not bring the best responses during interviews here in the OKC METRO area. Seems like CGI might be the best bet. That is if they ever sign the contract and start the interview process.
the suits were from parkridge, not CGI, they came down to see what OKC was about
this posted today tho
ASSOCIATED PRESS TULSA, Okla. (AP) - Workers at Tulsa-based Dollar Thrifty Automotive Group are getting some bad news. The rental car company announced this week that a slow travel market and a weakening economy are prompting major cuts to salaries and benefits. The company says it's suspending its matching contributions to employees' retirement plans and suspending merit pay increases for executives. It also plans to enact 21% salary cuts for executives at the vice president level and above. Employees were notified of the cuts over the last week in a memo from President and CEO Gary Paxton. Dollar Thrifty employs 8,500 people worldwide and 970 in Tulsa.
Can someone translate the email regarding the changes to the review/evaluation process? My copy is in english but I'm not getting what "it" is.
Fair question, thor. I'm happy to answer. How about Seagate, Teleflora, HP, Devon, and SandRidge to name a few? Although it might have been easier for those of us who decided to "get while the gettin's good", it is still possible to escape Hertz. Keep in mind though that with little exception it's not likely to find potential employers coming to you. Moving to a better job does require effort on the part of the person seeking to move on. Talk to family, friends, and associates. Leverage relationships with vendors. Contact a recruiter for heaven's sake. To be fair, I have to admit that I and a couple of close friends did get unsolicited calls from folks when word first got out that Hertz was headed down the private equity sh*tter. But bear in mind that this was the exception rather than the rule.
As to the value of the Hertz name when you are interviewing, I think it depends in large part upon what you did while at Hertz. In my case, it scored some major league points with my new employer. Your mileage may vary.
For those who chose to stay, I genuinely wish you well. (Okay, not all of you. MF and JE can kiss my ass.) I hope life with CGI turns out to be the land of milk and honey -- an environment where you're trained, treated with respect, well-compensated, and work for managers and directors who actually know how to manage and direct people.
Regardless of what you may think, I'm not passing judgment on those who choose to stay or those who have chosen to leave. I'm simply trying to highlight the fact that nobody is "stuck" at Hertz unless he or she has done so little over the past few years as to generate no real fodder for a résumé update.
C-I-Joe is spot on. There is life after Hertz. Most of the recruiters and staffing companies around town know all about what's going on at Hertz (some more than most of us know/knew) and are actively seeking to place those who are willing to go that route.
The decision is a tough one to make, but I urge everyone to keep in mind that even if you don't have to make that decision now, you should be preparing to make it eventually. That's not to say that staying reflects badly on anyone - I've even thought about staying if I could manage it. Personally, I have come to realization that I don't want to contribute to the success of a company which is willing to place itself at huge financial and litigious risk, as well treat its employees like unnecessary expenses in order to appear profitable. It has become an ethical decision. I realize others are not in the financial or professional position to make such a decision.
For those planning on leaving, I suggest wearing your own altered version of the "I Love Mark P. Frissora" T-Shirt (found on Amazon) on your last casual day.
On another note, I'm sure many have taken note of IBM's move to cut the salaries of employees it is having to compensate for overtime by 15%. So we're not the only ones being bended over.
The MF just released the results of the last Pulse Survey, and surprise, the score for OKC decreased .39 points. Apparently employees here are "unsettled" by the outsourcing initiative. Take heart though, MF and JE are working as "quickly" as they can to finalize the BPO process - read: get rid of the in-scope employees so they don't negatively impact future surveys.
Two other interesting points...
While employees feel that customers are not going to benefit from the outsourcing, NPS results prove otherwise. Couldn't possibly be because the changes haven't actually been made in regards to outsourcing.
Secondly, Employees are tired of all these Pulse Surveys when their jobs are on-the-line. Go figure.
Can someone tell me if this is true? Did merril lynch sell their portion of Hertz to Sax fifth avenue? curious
LowMan... Probably not, The last SEC filing showed ML owning over 39M shares of stock as of last week, and HTZ's trading volume doesn't indicate that level of trades. It doesn't make much sense to me either why a retailer would want to own a portion of a company that is in a saturated struggling market. But weirder things have happened. Keep looking at the SEC Edgar search for company filings. Major investors like ML have to disclose every trade they make.
Yah it didn't make sense to me either but it's a rumor around my location causing a stir, some employees thought they were going to get a perk, i thought it was funny, Hertz a perk!!!
Well, there was this tidbit back on the 10th, but I don't know if it means anything:
Jan 10 (Reuters) - Hertz Global Holdings Inc (HTZ.N: Quote, Profile, Research) shareholder Lord, Abbett & Co LLC disclosed a 10.32 percent passive stake in the car rental company.
Lord, Abbett & Co said the stake gives it ownership of 33.2 million shares and sole voting power over 31.4 million shares. (Reporting by Shivani Singh in Bangalore; Editing by Pratish Narayanan)
Well the IT pulse survey came out today. Pretty funny. It was surprising to see that IT scored as high as it did (3.0/5.0). I still how it is scoring any higher than a 1.0 on the 'Would you recommend Hertz...' question (it got a 2.0). Unfortunately most of us won't be able to participate in another one to try to get the scores lower. Whats even funnier is that JE only sent this to the Directors and Managers w/ instructions to forward the results on the the employees. I guess he didn't want to try to explain (spin) the results himself. Anyone hear anything from CGI yet?
Merrill Lynch not giving bonus to Exec's due to poor 2007. Wonder if they want to dump HERTZ more then ever now? 2 + weeks, anyone seen any sign of CGI or been interviewed by them?
Anyone get the full results of the pulse survey? I heard MF was LIVID over them. I think I have them around here, somewhere......
Just a word to those still on the inside - the 1 year requirement for transfers is still very much in-effect for those who might be new to Hertz or have recently transferred into a now in-scope group. Not that it matters at this point, as they have stopped all internal movement for the time being. So if you were looking to transfer to a group that might possible be out-of-scope, you're out of luck at the moment.
COE positions will apparently be exempt from this on both counts, but there's been little word on when those jobs will be introduced.
There are some groups that are actively seeking to have JE overturn the 1 year requirement as well as the stop on internal movement. That's not much to inspire hope, but it could give some people more time to prepare for getting out.
I've only been at Hertz for a couple of years and I've seen alot of posers, sweepers, and some shady m.f.ers, managers posing as customers on NPS, senior managers sweeping that s--t under the carpet and shady M.F. thats what it is. COME ON INTEGRITY!!!Nps don't count on that for accuracy, pulse survey that's not going to get any better unless they bring back the values that Hertz was built on, Hertz was an awesome company and could still be we just need alot of people being held accountable for their actions including M.F and J.E.
There is a very large fire at the DC (oops, I mean TC) today and it is spreading fast & furious. CGI is out. I've heard 2 variations, one Hertz won't sign the final contract, the other says CGI won't sign final contracts. The CGI version is that Hertz won't define "failure" for CGI. Another rumor not spreading so fast is that the field is about to suffer some heavy layoffs today, close to 400.
In4life, Where does this leave us at hle and airport locations? I'm sure it has to leak downward, What do you think..
I was looking for information on Hertz HR for employees. We required this information for issues that were occurring at one of the facilities. Apparently they do not have one, or I just can not find it. My husband has worked for them for over a decade. For the past few years he has been told he was going to be layed off. The facility here is run by a know-nothing manager, but believes they are the smartest ever! There were meetings at one of the head offices and on return commented that someone was going to be layed off. Now it is either someone goes part-time or hours are cut back among them. To choose the part-time would be a half-witted, stupid thing to do!! Anyone with half a brain would know that it would only screw up EI benefits if they canned you altogether!
Enough of the bullshit, the old saying goes "Shit or get off the pot!" They need to get off the pot and stop screwing people around. They don't care that our lives have been on hold since the first time they said that there would be a lay off. We could all pay our bills with MF's pocket change!
From what I was reading, it seems that ALL Hertz employees are in the same situation.
I think most of us here at the TC heard the same rumor today. Several of us heard it from different sources. I also know that most of the directors would neither confirm or deny that it was true. So in my opinion this pretty much validates that what we are hearing is true. So here we are again... No further along then where we were a year ago. And bleeding staff everyday.... :(
Lost some field personnel today to layoffs and some regional positions as well. Field Lt.'s are tired of working 60-70 hour weeks, 6-7 days a week. I am sure after meetings Friday more work will be laid on us. More work that takes us away from clients, customers and life.
Received 5 or 6 emails from chainsaw today....everyone was the same...I guess he wanted to get his message across to everyone, or at least to me. Heard the same rumors yesterday about cgi backing out of the deal - chainsaw must have heard them too. Isn't it amazing how quickly we get an email denying the rumors of yesterday but we can't get a single one telling us the truth about anything!!!
Oh yeah, one last comment about mf being livid over the last pulse survey. He can stick his f'n pulse surveys up his ass.
The layoffs did/are taking place in the field. I heard of 4 at Phoenix A/P, 5 at DFW. I interpreted J.E.'s 5 emails as confirmation of the CGI rumors, not denial. Probably need to read one of them again, I thought he wrote that "we are still in negotiations". Why have there been no CGI interviews yet? Maybe I'm reading more into that than I should.
don't believe all you hear, the CGI being out rumours are just that, what they really are is the latest pulse survey, chainsaw wanted to see what the results would be if that rumour went around, and it went around much faster than any other
CGI a rumor? Then where has CGI been hiding if they are not gone? It has been almost 1 month since the mandatory meetings called by the Crown Prince. As I look at my notes from the meeting I see we were to meet with someone from CGI shortly, and interviews to start right after. Maybe CGI added the numbers and found they really cannot pay HERTZ employees any less then most are already making and expect to have anyone other work for them. Should be interesting to see what Der Fuhrer and the Crown Prince have to say next.
In my opinion, I think CGI is out and IBM will be our new overlords. I think the pull of the lost revenue from their rentals was too hard for this management to resist. I think JE's email(s) on Friday were pretty telling in that the letters CG&I were no where to be found, when just a couple weeks earlier he was extolling the praises about how good of a company they were and how great it will be to work for them. Bad thing is that IBM probably will retain fewer employees than CGI, so bigger layoffs ahead for those still around.
You know if MF would want to save Hertz, why not get rid of Parkridge. He could save millions of dollars. Move it to OKC where the cost of living is a % of what it is up there. But he is not interested in saving Hertz. Divide and sale.
Feb. 14th how many are left feel like we are going thru the St. Valentines Day Massacre? Where is MF in all this? No infomercials, just silence. Joe talks seldom and only in riddles and huge emails that say nothing. So if Joe or MF or anyone near them reads this, HOW ABOUT THE TRUTH FOR ONCE?. Is CGI OUT? If not where are they? If so who is in the running to replace them? and what is the new time table? Simple questions.......that deserve simple and HONEST answers....I am tired of telling people under me I don't know the answers.
HEY, GUESS WHAT????? LAYOFFS HIT US PRETTY GOOD..... SURPRISED I THINK NOT,,,, THE WAY THEY ARE DOING IT IS LESS THAN BALLSY.
What layoffs? Who,what when where etc etc ???? DETAILS!!!! Don't pull a MF or a Joe and leave everyone in the dark.
I just found out about this blog. We had several people in our operations facility laid off on Feb. 7. I heard many positions in maintenance/backoffice were let go across the country and several parttime security people. I also know that in corporate sales, management has directed sales reps to give all their smaller accounts to HLE insurance replacement reps to handle. This will eliminate bonus' paid to reps (sometimes 30-50% of their income). HLE insurance replacement reps have no idea what they are doing and don't want to handle this business. It's just a way for HZ to no longer have to pay these bonus' to reps/managers.
Hmmmmmm
SUNNYVALE, Calif. (AP) — Yahoo Inc. is adopting severance plans to take effect if the Web portal is taken over by Microsoft Corp.
The plans cover all of Yahoo's full-time employees, including its top executives, for two years after a change in control of the company.
Workers who lose their job without cause — or quit for good reason as Yahoo defines it — would continue to receive their salary and medical benefits for four to 24 months, plus reimbursement for "outplacement services" for two years.
The departing employees' stock options would also vest faster than scheduled.
some people questioned what my earlier post on Yahoo had to do with anything. It goes to show that some companies value their employees and will do things that to ensure that they are properly cared for in the event of being bought or outsourced.
Hertz on the other hand cares very little if we are cared for or even if we have jobs with the new company, they only care for the bottom line and what the greedy shareholders care about (I am not really sure that they even care about the quality or timeliness of service that will be provided by the outsourcer). It is all to pump up the stock price and not to care anything about the employees who have helped this company be the company that it has been and probably will not be in the future.
Well, IBM it is. Does anyone actually buy the drivel that JE said in his email? I for one think the only 'macro-economic' condition that led to this change was that IBM flexed its 'we are your biggest customer' muscle. Otherwise CGI would have been the sole provider since they offered a single solution as well. Hertz management has zero credibility anymore, so whatever they say has to be assumed to be a lie. Anyway this is bad news for us 'in scopers' because IBM will rebadge a much smaller number of Hertz employees than CGI will. I have even heard that they will use a 85/15 percent offshore/onshore staffing makeup. I guess this is great news for JE and MF in that they get to layoff a whole bunch of employees and get rid of a bunch more by attrition before the rebadging starts.
For the here and (right) now, it appears in-scope individuals are a bit 'safer' than those out-of-scope - there is a rumored 10% layoff occuring today, with several people at HTC (Data Center) having been 'let go' this morning. Supposedly a similar layoff is occuring at HAC as well.
Add to this that, supposedly, 5 IBMers in HERC were given notice earlier this week.
So "safe" is ever more a time relative term at Hertz.
FYI it is not a rumor at all. The DC (damn right it's the DC - it was when I left a year ago) was hit with about a 100-person layoff today.
Hertz has completely changed in a year, I feel bad for the few friends I have left over there. Yes, the old Hertz had plenty of problems in terms of decisions taking forever, being a bit resistant to change, and being more fluid of a company...but it was MUCH better than what the money grubbers running the company have done to it.
And no, I am not afraid of using my name. Who cares? Hertz with it's current Upper Management, well...just sucks ass.
GF Bice
Wow!! What a day, so many friends walked out again. Looks like this may be an annual thing. Until we're all gone. It's already down to the bare bones, don't know how they can take more, but they probably will.
Then in the same day hear about
IBM and the number was a lot more than 5.
I'm with woopknacker's post on 1/27
if your stil employeed at Hertz and are in the 'out-of-scope' group, then start making plans now, looking at other options. But DO NOT sit idle thinking Mark's 'Dream team' is done, cause these blood thirsty hound dogs will not stop as long as they are with Hertz.
By the way if your a BA,don't be fooled BA's can be out-sourced.
Eveyone at the DC, Yes it will always be the Data Center. Just like the Reservation Center will be the Reservations Center Not the Customer Care Center. What BS? I was an Employee until yesterday and I worked there for 28 years. Be thankful if you are excempt because you will get a better packet than the non excempt like me who did the real work. Good luck to everyone that is still there but watch out for Pretty Boy or Better yet Prick head, sorry, I'm still a little bitter. I loved working at Hertz but since MF took over everything has gone in the toilet.
In Scope, Out of Scope don't mean anything. If you are still reading this from the Hertz office. God Help You. Sorry, I am not trying to scare you but you need to smell the coffee. Get off your tuckers and look for a job.
Note to Self:
1. Employer will not be loyal to me in return. I am simply a number.
2. Take Prozac before I get to work. The place/morale is really bringing me down.
3. By Employer of Choice, they meant be thankful you're getting a paycheck.
4. By working smarter, not harder...they actually meant work 60-80 hours a week and give up time with my family.
5. Check want ads and run like hell. But get a job that offers benefits from day 1 because now my benefits will end on the day I quit, thanks to the latest and greatest change at Hertz.
You know, I've kept tabs on this site since the beginning and it's just laughable the way people are reacting on this site esp. the losers that were walked out over a year ago still coming back and posting like they have any idea what it's like in the new environment. You guys were dead wood then and I suspect you are still dead wood at your new employers. Why do you feel the need to come and spread your poison? 100 people at the TC? It was less than 30 by my count. You know the people I'm talking about, the slow walkers in the hall, those would couldn't code their way out of paperbag, or know how to shut off a server, gabbing away at the intersections, reading the latest rightwing, religious wacko propagando chainmail, not doing any imaginable bit of work over the span of days. When I started here 10 years ago, I was shocked that Gary Orrell carried as much slack as he did. Sure some waste piles up over time, but eventually managers/directors/VPs should see this and eliminate those just drawing a paycheck. I'm glad to see the new mgmt team aggressively removing excess salary. So if you one of the 'former loyals', remember, you aren't anymore. Get over it, move on, leave the people that are committed to a successful career alone. And if you're still an employee and whining about how Hertz OWES you a job and that they can't live without me, time for a reality check.. if you are bitching and complaining about the way mgmt is working, maybe you should look in the mirror and wonder how it got so bad that they were forced to make drastic changes. It's not been easy for anyone, but it's not like they are only out for blood, they know the impact this type of stuff has on morale and work. They are trying to be as open and honest as they can in this situation, but if they pick CGI and then negotiations break down, well, that's business. It's not part of a vast corporate conspiracy. I suspect many of you think we didn't land on the moon or that Oswald didn't act alone or aliens build the pyramids. Layoffs are a part of the corporate world now and all your whining and crying isn't going to change that. If you are so worried and bitching about the changes underway, I suggest you probably need to be on your merry way too, the rest of us are sick of hearing it. Take the negativity somewhere else. Hertz is a good company, it's in the business to make money and all of you have been living off the corporate teet. It's been time to clear all the dead wood for years and the new mgmt finally had the balls to wash the streets clean. Once all the filth is gone, it's going to be a fantastic place to be. If you are "in-scope", it's a tough place to be, granted, but the opportunity to place with IBM is fantastic for a career path. How could you be opposed to the option of moving to a powerhouse like IBM? At least take the interview and dust of those skills, EVERYONE needs to know how to interview. Even if IBM passes, there are still a number of positions that will open up at Hertz once the clear cut of dead wood is complete. But remember, there isn't any corporation in the world that expects to pay you for nothing, put up or shut up and don't expect loyalty from any company. Don't be naive. Take charge of your our life/career as you are the only person in this world or the next that gives a damn about it.
I wish peace on you all. Some of you just need that peace somewhere else.
Enjoy The Show, it's funny how you talk about dead wood. How much time did you spend counting each person getting walked out, instead of working?
Enjoy the Show,
Just curious - can you describe the taste of Mark’s pecker? Does it have the same flavor as Joe’s? In addition, I’m sure you have an intimate familiarity with the aromas of the posteriors of both of those gentlemen. Perhaps you can describe that sensation also. It is obvious that you work both sides of the street/torso.
I certainly hope you have a significant long investment in the pathetically depressed stock of your ‘fantastic place of employment’. The business world is obviously not fooled by the masterful corporate bullpoop emanating from both New Joisy and yourself. Let’s see – from 27.2 last year to 11.9 now. Not bad for a ‘good’ company with a future.
If you are not a member of the corporate BS team, you should be. Your ability to judge and dehumanize anybody who hinders you efforts to maintain a ‘successful career’, or to rape and gut Hertz, is indeed awesome. When you are the only one left standing, look around and relish the fact that you are the only perfect individual in this world, and your astounding ability to program your way out of a paper bag for Hertz won’t matter one bit to Enterprise, who by then will have kicked Hertz’s butt to a ‘rent-a-heap’ status.
Enjoy the Show, you are a pathetic ignorant egomaniac. Why you decided to post the results of your fears, frustrations, and wet dreams is a mystery. You indicate your belief that your future at Hertz is a sure thing. Maybe your delusions will come become reality, but what a depressing reality it will be. The owners/rapers of Hertz can never be trusted. You will never know what each day will bring. Perhaps you can pass the time enjoying a theme day with Joe in the gym. Just remember to hang a ‘do not disturb, sign on the shower room door. Also, learn to spell teat, you idiot.
I wish you piece – of Joe and Mark and the owners. Enjoy!
Enjoy the Show,
Just curious - can you describe the taste of Mark’s pecker? Does it have the same flavor as Joe’s? In addition, I’m sure you have an intimate familiarity with the aromas of the posteriors of both of those gentlemen. Perhaps you can describe that sensation also. It is obvious that you work both sides of the street/torso.
I certainly hope you have a significant long investment in the pathetically depressed stock of your ‘fantastic place of employment’. The business world is obviously not fooled by the masterful corporate bullpoop emanating from both New Joisy and yourself. Let’s see – from 27.2 last year to 11.9 now. Not bad for a ‘good’ company with a future.
If you are not a member of the corporate BS team, you should be. Your ability to judge and dehumanize anybody who hinders you efforts to maintain a ‘successful career’, or to rape and gut Hertz, is indeed awesome. When you are the only one left standing, look around and relish the fact that you are the only perfect individual in this world, and your astounding ability to program your way out of a paper bag for Hertz won’t matter one bit to Enterprise, who by then will have kicked Hertz’s butt to a ‘rent-a-heap’ status.
Enjoy the Show, you are a pathetic ignorant egomaniac. Why you decided to post the results of your fears, frustrations, and wet dreams is a mystery. You indicate your belief that your future at Hertz is a sure thing. Maybe your delusions will come become reality, but what a depressing reality it will be. The owners/rapers of Hertz can never be trusted. You will never know what each day will bring. Perhaps you can pass the time enjoying a theme day with Joe in the gym. Just remember to hang a ‘do not disturb, sign on the shower room door. Also, learn to spell teat, you idiot.
I wish you piece – of Joe and Mark and the owners. Enjoy!
IMOK & IMOK1,& IMOK2-IMOK9 or how many other voices you hear in your head, I'm glad to see you return and set Enjoy da Show straight! However, I think you're the only OK blogger that's curious about peckers and the such...this blog was in serious need of some humor and that you sure know how to spread...twice as good!
Really, are you serious? I mean, addition?, is it really tough enough that I need to justify the time it takes to add a few numbers in my head? From all the gossip in the hallways and a quick check with a source in Information Security, I would estimate about 30 seconds total time to get the accurate numbers. If it makes you happy, maybe I did the math on my lunch break...
As for Joe & Mark, never met them, attended a webcast once and Joe's quarterly meetings, that's about it. Funny though, how you resort to personal and childish attacks about spell checks on a blog (who cares, you seemed to get the gist of it) and homosexual accusations? Feel you have to defend your personal life or the fact that maybe you aren't cutting it on the workfront? I have my fears and frustrations about being in-scope, but I don't accuse people of sodomy for it. I just accept that life is what happens when you are busy making other plans.
Check the overall market and the segment, Hertz is down, but outperforming the others in the same segment. It's not a result of the "corporate conspiracy", just the general fear of the overall market.
And lastly, a mispeling for you, just to give you more ammo for more non-topical attacks.
Peace
Ah, so Enjoy the Show also partakes in and/or repeats the hall gossip? Was that not one of your definitions of dead wood? You gossip with your source in Information Security, too?
Although I respect your opinion, I don't have to agree with it. In MY opinion, I feel no need for name calling and belittling people who probably gave you a warm welcome when you started working for Hertz. Perhaps some were dead wood, but many were not. I lost a dear friend and co-worker who was hard working and reliable.
Our department was short staffed as it was. I now have to spend my weekends either catching up or trying to get ahead so I can handle the next week's workload.
I admit there were slackers in both buildings, there still are. Some have been getting away with it for years. Sleeping on the job, falsifying records to cover for it, etc. But we are not all losers and filth.
The purpose of this blog is to share our thoughts and opinions. Each person has a right to express how they feel. You have your right to respond, but please don't be such a hypocrite. You complain about negativity, yet you post hateful things directed towards those who have already been hurt by all of this. If you are sick of hearing about it, take your own advice. Get your peace somewhere else.
From what I can see tempers are getting a bit short here. Let's remember that we are all in this as a team. Yes there are people who only come to work for a pay check every week and yes there are people who work their tails off on a daily basis. Yes there are suck ups and people who just don't give a crap. I think as adults we all know that there will always be a difference of opinion when you are dealing with large groups. I see them all on a daily basis. As a long time employee I am not overly excited with what I see going on these days. Yes we have cleared out some dead wood and we have also lost some very very good people as a result of what is being perceived to be a "sinking ship". I thought that I would have an opportunity to finish my career at Hertz but I have come to the realization that I don't have that much time left as an employee. I plan to stick it out to the end get whatever I can get and start over. I plan to be happy and better myself. I know that the company will survive without me and I know that I can survive without them.
What a shame that this had to happen to us. But if we as people are as good as we say we are at our jobs, we will find another one and they may appreciate us for our ability.
I refuse to make myself ill over this and you should also. Work with your fellow employee, shake his hand, say hello and be cordial. They can screw up our career but they should never screw up our dignity.
And by the way, if a person makes a spelling error once in a while it won't be the end of the world. Suggesting that we have some ass kissers in the group will never change anything. In life there is always some ass kissing going on in one form or another. I have a reputation of not being an ass kisser but I wonder sometimes if it would have helped.
I will continue to watch this blog even when I am gone because I know that there are some sincere people here who really care about Hertz and not just themselves.
Best of luck to all.
I make this promise, when I am gone I will also publish my name on here for all to see.
I watched 4 of my friend get shown the door the other day. It stopped with me, We lost 60% of our shift WOW is right there was not enough of us left to even cover the shift. And the SUCK part is we all knew they were liars ie Mark F. and chainsaw Joe. is sucks to work for a spineless liars. And yes it will always be the DC. eat $hit MARK&CHAINSAW
Well, I was given my walking papers last Thursday. 21 years and that was it. I have no idea how they are going to function on the skeleton crew they have now. Why bother trying to get anything done. Just scrap the whole dept. My manager could rarely take all of his vacation before. He'll be working non-stop now, only to be let go in a few months. When I started, Hertz was a great company, it WAS up until Ford sold them. I was proud to say I worked for Hertz "the leader in the car rental industry". No one could touch us. Back then, you could use the slogan "We're Hertz. They're Not". Because it was true. Now, it just sounds nauseatingly arrogant, with nothing to back it up. The service has gone completely in the toilet, cars are filthy and counter reps are rude. It's a real shame. All for corporate greed. The shareholders are getting what they want. Yes, I miss the company Hertz used to be. I just have to say, I'm glad I'm gone now. One bonus - no more pulse surveys!!! I feel bad for those poor saps left behind who have to tow the line with minimal staff, they're going to hate life!!!! I wish them the best and I hope they don't hurt their necks looking over their shoulders all day long.
Hello!
I am an ex-employee of Hertz. I am now working for The Addison Group as a Technical Recruiter. We specialize in placing IT, Finance, and Accounting professionals. I know Hertz is going through some changes/layoffs. If anyone has been affected by this and is interested in looking at new opportunities or knows someone that is looking, feel free to get in contact with me.
Have a great day!
lwohl@addisontechnical.com
Has anyone heard about these so-called "skip-level" meetings with the new global sales guy? I heard about one that took place a few days ago. Apparently "skip-level" means he skips over anything said by anyone who isn't a sales rep. There were actually a few people who work in sales in the admin. part who were invited to the meeting, and I guess he basically ignored anything that they had to say. If a sales rep or manager brought up anything, he would ask questions and take notes, but if one of the admin. people said anything, they were pretty much "humored" and of course, nothing was written down. I guess at HQ, admin. people are just pieces of furniture until someone needs something done! The admins that are still left have had our work loads increased two or three-fold, but apparently we're not very important. Anyone have a guess as to when they'll wake up and realize that it's the admin's doing a lot of work that makes it possible for them to do their jobs and get their bonuses????
They bought at $12+ and today's stock price
is $10.70. They should buy more to make up
the difference.
Speaking of stock
http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/insiders.asp?symb=HTZ
Check out the insider action on February 28 and 29.
Funny stuff... According to the SEC, these were stock options not actual stock granted to the senior execs. The great thing about it is that they are pretty much worthless as they were struck at 12.97. So basically they need to see the stock rise by 20% or so in order to have anything more than a worthless piece of paper. But I am sure that all their layoffs and excellent HIP ideas will cause the stock to skyrocket any day now.
HERC mechanic here, where are our leaders taking us? The HIP team has been through here and we are squeaky clean (good and bad) to being that clean. We are hoping to make it through the next round of cuts at the end of this month. At least that is the rumor here.
Hey canyon_raider,
Sorry to say but this Hip program is just another way to cut staff,if your dept. is not at the most minumum staff to operate,it probably will be.
IBM offer letters should be arriving in mailboxes - those receiving one had an email waiting in their inbox this morning. What's most surprising is in the groups of people who were NOT 'chosen' by IBM.
There are some vital systems that are being left with minimal or no staff past the transition period... well, save for the offshore 'resources'. Of course, many of these systems do not MAKE Hertz any money, but they do SAVE Hertz money and liability. Certainly that was factored into the risk assessment, yes?
Personally, I'm not sure some of those who did receive an offer are getting all that great a deal. That's not bitterness speaking either, it's concern for the hell people I've enjoyed worked with are about to be put through (at least potentially).
I forsee a wave of ineptitude about to sweep across the minions.
Jim,
Great job of demonstrating how well you can copy and paste.
Now show us how well you can read and understand the subject matter by explaining that the Carlyle group described in the article has nothing to do with hertz, except that it proves that no successful business organization is safe from greed and stupidity.
Neither CCC nor hertz will be in existence five years from now. But rest assured that the bloodsuckers that destroyed both groups will always be on the prowl looking for more victims,
Enterprise rules!
Imok,
To say that Hertz will not be around in 5 years is a little premature.I'm not saying I agree with all the job cuts, but I think Hertz will be around,just with alot less staff and for some cities and departments ,it might be warranted.Many companies have done these type of cuts before and survived.I like to think that after MF is gone and the company is sold off to a hopefully responsible buyer that Hertz will be able to rebuild a bit to become a stable company again with less overhead.
The Race
A Japanese company (Toyota) and an American company (General Motors). Decided to have a canoe race on the Missouri River. Both teams practiced long and hard to reach their peak performance before the race.
On the big day, the Japanese won by a mile.
The Americans, very discouraged and depressed, decided to investigate the reason for the crushing defeat. A management team made up of senior management was formed to investigate and recommend appropriate action. Their conclusion was the Japanese had 8 people rowing and I person steering, while the American team had 8 people steering and 1 person rowing.
Feeling a deeper study was in order, American management hired a consulting company and paid them a large amount of money for a second opinion. They advised, of course, that too many people were steering the boat, while not enough people were rowing.
Not sure of how to utilize that information, but wanting to prevent another loss to the Japanese, the rowing team's management structure was totally reorganized to 4 steering supervisors, 3 area steering superintendents and assistant superintendent steering manager.
They also implemented a new performance system that would give the 1 person rowing the boat greater incentive to work harder. It was called the "Rowing Team Quality First Program", with meetings, dinners and free pens for the rower. There was discussion of getting new paddles, canoes and other equipment, and extra vacation days for practices and bonuses.
The next year the Japanese won by two miles.
Humiliated, the American management laid off the rower for poor performance, halted development of a new canoe, sold the paddles, and canceled all capital investments for new equipment. The money saved was distributed to the Senior Executives as bonuses and the next year's racing team was out-sourced to India.
The End
No wonder hertz is laying off...looks likes the main talent is your copy and paste abilities!
Why so bitter hertz insider?
You know, I thought I was just injecting a little levity into this mess.
Thanks for your unwarranted criticism.
So....look around, ask around, who got letters? ok...Now for the big question.....Who has gotten EMAILS telling those that did not get a letter they are gone? According to Chainsaw emails were to be sent along with the letters. What is the excuse this time? We forgot, We are not done, or they simply have no idea what they are doing? To quote a line from a movie. The way things are going at HERTZ now, is like being on a sinking Ocean Liner rushing to the bridge and finding Daffy Duck in charge. Which way to the LIFEBOATS?!??!?!?!
Hertz Insyder...in the immortal words of Sgt. Hulka "lighten up Francis".
canyon_raider I was lmao at your story. MF mentioned this blog in his last webcast, hope he reads that one.
I don't understand how interaction with the outsourced applications will work when all is said and done, but I am already seeing scheduling issues between the out of scope apps and the outsource-in-process apps.
Maybe Hertz employees of 2012 will look back and be able to say "I love my job, I love working for Hertz, everything worked out the way the big guy said it would". Another possibility is maybe I will win the lottery next week and I will be able to say "I love my job, I love not working for anyone..."
I dont see how MF or chainsaw Joe sleep at night and then look at themselved in the mirror in the morning. The sad thing is that they are still putting millions in their pockets while the rest are paying for their sins. Even worse when this company has crumbled they will move on to to it to another.
Hertz is in the process of outsourcing most of the Data Center employees to IBM which will then send those jobs to India.
The CEO Mark Frissora has deliberately been seeking to move Oklahoma technical jobs overseas.
With his personal salary of 7 million per year, and the falling stock prices of Hertz, one must conclude that this is just
another raping of an American Icon, Hertz. After the private takeover of Hertz and the public
offering, the original investors paid off their own debt and proceeded to put the company in as much debt as possible. And then came the layoffs which have affected the lives of 10s of thousands both here and worldwide.
How many of our technical jobs are we going to let go overseas for
corporate greed. Why are we letting this happen? More greed. There needs to be protection to American jobs. There is no reason to send these jobs to India. Oklahoma is one of the best places in America to find Cheap technical labor. India is growing fast enough right now without giving them our jobs. Enough is enough! What kind of corporate strategy
destroys the foundation of white collar America. If we continue to send these jobs to other countries, technical employees
here will be left working in the drive-thru. This is a matter of
National Security, this is
a matter of National Pride. This is a call to boycott companies and
products that have outsourced overseas. Stop renting Hertz vehicles now! Hertz owes Oklahoma a big apology. Think of how many years Hertz has been rolling rental cars down the road without having to outsource the jobs. To layoff american workers just to get cheaper labor from another country is disgusting. Board of Directors and Frissora should resign in shame. This management has no conscience, no shame. Hertz has now made thousands of enemies that see thru the lies and grotesque plans. Hertz has been profitable every year.....Every YEAR!!!and to thank the employees by selling their jobs to the highest bidder is sick....
Let's not forget that this is the same CEO & SMT that just laid off good employees in February and then outsourced jobs to IBM/India in April so they could save money but yet they announced today they're sending 40 of their team players & spouse/partners from all over the world to Mexico for a weeks vacation.
sick.. Diseased is more like it! You know I dont trust anyone-- I really dont. I dont trust IBM and I dont trust anyone who still has a job with Hertz. The whole situation is "a sinking ship" it truly is.. and I am thankfull... "I am not the Captian" (Afterall .. If I had been the Captain-- the ship would not be sinking) !!!
Rumor has it that the devil himself will be visiting with his advocate in OKC this week. Guess he wants to see his destruction.
No rumor. MF will be at the HTC for a townhall meeting sometime this week. Hmmm... A bunch of pissed off people about to lose their jobs and the 2 people responsible for it, in one room. Sounds like fun.
I've heard that MF is most unhappy with the attitude in OKC. Has anyone heard anything about his visit? Is he happier with us now that he has seen our smiling faces?
Apparently the Mexico fiesta isn't going to waste enough money. Rumour has it that several hundred managers from around the US will be going to a meeting in Vegas this summer. Word is this meeting of the minds will cost $2 million. Field locations are operating with skeleton crews while more people are handed their walking papers. But thank god there's a few million in the budget for a big Vegas bash. What ever happened to having meetings in OKC? Guess that's not sexy enough to impress MF's corporate buddies. Isn't it like 120 degrees in Vegas in the summer? Almost as hot as hell . . . burn baby burn!
Give the man a chance. He took on a company in a difficult economic environment. If these ideas had been done in 2002/2003 this company would be rolling in the money right now. Instead, the company is trying to become competitive in a tough pricing environment due to too much fleet and it is difficult to be successful. As was said in a webcast, wait until fleets at all other companies tighten and pricing goes up, Hertz will be the #1 company again. I am in field operations and the morale isn't high out there either as we continue to wait to see what is going to happen with the regions. That was supposed to be done last week. Until then just be happy to have a job if you have one.
Well here we go again. Maybe we will be let go this date....or wait was it that date...no wait it is April 31 that's the date. And for CALM DOWN, you try sitting in the NEW HIT CENTER, seeing all the IBM people and the ones from HERTZ that you trained and know your 20+ years is all for nothing. Chainsaw needs to wake up and smell what is about to come down. As one person called him, Hitler don't like the moral in OKC? Hey you don't like your own creation? Then do what you promised start caring about the employee and not trying to become another Donald Trump.
I agree Robert Burns!! Walking the halls hearing the sound of the India IBM'ers not even speaking english! They care so much about PID you can find copies of their Passports and Visa's on the fax machines at any given time! I now understand how American become Prejudice. Calm Down-- You must be one of those people that are just happy you are not the one walking out of the door at the end of the 2, 4 or 6 months. I think that anyone who is not completely appauled at what is going on, Has not been paying attention!
Can you feel the excitement in the air? Only 1 day before the BELOVED LEADER MF makes another aweinspiring speech. Pardon me while I go throw up. Any odds whether he will even mention how he has destroyed peoples and their families lives in OKC? You don't like the morale Mark? Well you created it. You talk the talk but you sure don't walk the walk.
Hey all, sure is quiet in here (echo, echo, echo, echo)
I heard a rumor the Mark F. was planning a trip to California. Can anyone confirm this?
Thanks
Joe never comes to OKC anymore, too many guns in Oklahoma.
I am busier than I have ever been and I was not one of the ones hand picked to join the IBM team (oxymoron if I ever heard one as there is no team spirit anymore)
HERTZ SENT ME PACKING IN 2007 - A YEAR AND ONE HALF AFTER GOING THROUGH A DIVORCE AFTER 28 YEARS OF MARRIAGE. I'M PHYSICALLY SICK THAT I WASTED 17 YEARS OF MY LIFE DEDICATED TO THIS COMPANY. I GAVE HERTZ THE BEST YEARS OF MY LIFE. NOW I'M IN MY 50'S TRYING TO FIND A NEW JOB AND STRUGGLING, BOTH FINANCIALLY AND EMOTIONALLY.
I'M SURE MF AND HIS HENCHMEN COULDN'T CARE LESS ABOUT THE LIVES THEY'VE DESTROYED IN THEIR QUEST TO MAKE A MINT WHEN THEY SELL HERTZ' SKELETAL REMAINS.
MY HEART BREAKS FOR MY GRANDSON WHO WILL NEVER GET TO FEEL THE PASSION THAT MY GENERATION FELT IN GIVING EVERYTHING WE HAD TO OUR EMPLOYER JUST BECAUSE IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO . . . AND THAT FEELING WE USED TO GET WHEN OUR SUPERIORS SHOWED US TRUE APPRECIATION FOR A JOB WELL DONE.
I SPREAD THE WORD OF THE NEW EVIL HERTZ DAILY IMPLORING EVERYONE I COME IN CONTACT WITH TO PLEASE RENT FROM ENTERPRISE! IT'S MY ONLY REVENGE.
I FEEL SORRY FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE LEFT.
Your grandson will be better off not being babied by a company like the old Hertz. Hertz is finally turning into a real company. Remember you should work to live, not live to work. My loyalty to any one company is only good as long as they pay me more than anyone else.
If our stock is "cream of the crap" then MF must be LEADER OF THE LATRINE.
Hey hertz insyder. With comments like that it is no wonder the dollar is failing. It is obvious you are part of this screwed up country that feels that EVERYONE owes you something. Get a clue, no one owes you a damm thing. You work hard, like that lady did, and others like the rest of us that have been here over 15 years, and are told see ya just so a liar like MF can get richer. I pity you and any company you work for.
Hertz Insyder, with an attitude like that, you fit in real well with MF, Chainsaw and the rest of that bunch. You all are driving this company into the ground. I've seen it all before and it is happening again right here at Hertz. I can't wait to get out of here.
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